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Lenco L-3808 Turntable: Direct Drive on a Budget
24th May 2017
Want to go direct drive but are afraid of the expense? Lenco might have a surprise for you. Paul Rigby reviews the Lenco L-3808 (and provides a money off deal: see the end of the review)
Right, take a quick look at the price point below and then take a gander at the images and you just know that Made In China or similar is hidden somewhere within the chassis of this Lenco design. At this point the analogue snobs will lift their nose and leave the room. Still here? I’m glad, because this little turntable has a few surprises in store.
But what about that strobe light and pop-up light (for DJ use) that will immediately warn you that this might be a sad little Technics 1200 rip off? In this case, first impressions are very wrong indeed (although the turntable is recommended as an effective budget DJ tool, that’s true).
The construction is relatively solid for this price point with an all up weight of 5.4kg (the competing Dual MTR-75 weighs in at 4kg, for example).
The unit arrives with a dust cover but I would recommend removing it during play to avoid noise from its rather shaky mounting. By all means put it back, in place, when your listening session in over to protect from the dust.
The S-shaped arm looks and feels flimsy and small but it is secured well with an arm lock to prevent accidents. At the end of the arm is a removable headshell containing a standard (for this price) Audio Technica AT-3600 cartridge which Lenco asks you to run at a tracking force of 2g. Interesting because Dual, via its MTR-75 turntable, requests that you run exactly the same cartridge at around 3.25g! I know which one I’d rather place in my vinyl grooves! If you do buy yourself this deck, upgrade to a better cartridge ASAP. Something non-conical too which will enhance detail retrieval and the sonics immeasurably.
A manual turntable, beginners will be happy to see an arm lift which worked easily and well. An included moving magnet phono stage (which appears to be similar to that featured in the Dual MTR-75) is fitted within the chassis to save costs and to enable you to connect the deck to an amplifier’s line input or powered speakers. It can be switched to accept an external phono amplifier too, something that I would highly recommend as soon as you can afford one to further increase sound quality. A USB digital output is also present that can be used with the included Audacity music editing software to enable digital recording of your analogue discs. A mains cable is pre-fitted to the turntable.
IN USE
I found that, playing the turntable at 33.33, I did have to move the pitch adjustment just a tad from the default ‘0’ postion, to correct a slight speed drop.
OK, there’s no quartz control connected to the direct drive motor here, so you can’t expect nailed on speed control but it ain’t too bad once you get to grips with the pitch adjustment. The 8-pole, 2-phase design does a decent job considering the price.
Apart from that, the Lenco sprang into life without any issues.
SOUND QUALITY
I began the sound tests playing a selection of the 80s minimalist synth outfit, Bizarre Unit, combining vocals, sparse early synths with organic instruments
One of the principle failings of the budget turntable – even more so the sub-budget table – is how very much out of control it is in terms of assembling and presenting diverse frequencies to your ear. Just about everything that can go wrong normally will: blooming bass, smearing midrange and faltering stereo image with a flat soundstage and no character to any of the instruments. The Lenco addresses many of these failings from the core of one single feature: it’s direct drive motor. This single, yet essential, feature gives the turntable that one essential weapon in its sonic armoury, control. Because of the direct drive motor, there is far more focus and precision in terms of overall presentation than you would normally expect at the low, low price point.
Apart from the stereo image being rock solid and central, the bass was noticeably heavier than normal with a heft and weight that added significant presence to the entire track. Drums were meaningful and full of character, giving a foundation to the music that moved it forward at a steady pace while the midrange was, for the price, so accurate it actually created air and space in the soundstage, allowing more vocal reverb to be ‘visible’. This accuracy also infused the electric guitar with a sense of extra speed, as the transient performance improved immeasurably. The bass guitar also had more form and character. The vocals – both male and female – exuded emotion but also the delivery provided new details and nuance while the synths stopped spewing their smearing frequencies over everywhere and kept themselves to themselves. They no longer tried to mask subtle details, giving the music a richer flavour.
I then moved to the jazz vocal of Gogi Grant and the track By Myself, from the 1960 LP, Granted It’s Gogi on Living Stereo.
Grant’s wide ranging and dynamic vocal needs space and air to expand into and the Lenco, considering it’s low price point, certainly offered that. Grant fairly sparkled into a stereo image that pushed backwards as a 3D effect, allowing her big band orchestra to play around her. The focus upon her vocal allowed the ear to follow each element of her delivery with some ease.
The brass offered no brightness or stridency but, instead, had a texture through the vibrational effects of the performance giving an admirably brassy tone to this section of the backing band while keeping a measure of reverb to add energy to its effect.
Bass, from this direct drive, bounced and responded splendidly. The double bass having a notable sense of power and control on the early parts of this track. Percussion was particularly successful off this track. Partly, because the precise treble performance allowed the cymbals to offer both delicacy but also accuracy.
CONCLUSION
It’s not perfect – how can it be at £200? This is a sub-budget design so the myriad of tiny design quirks can and should be forgiven. The sound quality, meanwhile, is absolutely superb. A real shocker because it really shouldn’t be at this low, low, price. The Lenco is a solid (in plastic terms, at any rate), great sounding and easy to use turntable. A top class budget performer and a brilliant choice for anyone wanting to enter the vinyl fray.
LENCO L-3808 TURNTABLE Price: £200 Tel: 0333 1234 603 Website: www.lencouk.com TO BUY CLICK BELOW: UK - https://amzn.to/35TNWIA EUROPE - https://amzn.to/35ZtSV4
GOOD: precision, focus, ease of use, bass, price, direct drive
BAD: slight initial speed adjustment required
RATING: 9
REFERENCE
Dual MTR-75 turntable
Trichord Dino phono amplifier
Rega Brio-R amplifier
Spendor S3/5R speakers
Tellurium Q cabling
Harmonic Resolution Systems Noise Reduction Components
All vinyl was cleaned using an Audio Desk’s Ultrasonic Pro Vinyl Cleaner
Which model is that, r1280DB?
Yep
I have ordered the R1280T previously but when connected could not get any sound out at all so returned them, hence why I came on here asking questions
Hi George – Did you remember to turn on the internal phono amp on the Lenco? I’m not a fan of the speaker connections on this speaker, by the way.
Not sure on that, I will order these again now then without the Bluetooth etc.
Before you do that – I ask you to consider this. If you saved a bit and grabbed a pair of these at ¬£99: https://www.qacoustics.co.uk/q-acoustics-3010-compact-bookshelf-speakers-pair.html
And this amp from Richer Sounds for £99: https://www.richersounds.com/hi-fi/amplifiers-receivers/cambridge-topaz-am1-blk.html
…then you would have a much more fulfilling vinyl experience. I feel uncomfortable directing you towards Edifier speakers that feature those horrible speaker connections and a weedy internal amp 🙂
Hi Paul,
I have the Lenco 3808 turntable and looking to upgrade the headshell, stylus and cartridge. I have read different options but just wondered if you could suggest an idea of what would be best x3 together?
Not looking to spend a fortune just a decent all round upgrade.
Many thanks
Dan
Hi Dan – I’d go as far as a VM-95E cartridge (which includes the stylus) for around ¬£40. After that? I’d look at upgrading the turntable.
Many thanks Paul, I will.look into the VM-95e cartridge./stylus.
Cheers
Hi again Paul, I have the L3808 and passive RA1 speakers and you previously recommended the CA AM5 amplifier which I believe is now discontinued. Would the Cambridge AM1 also work for my setup or is there any other roughly equivalent entry-level ones to check out? Thanks
Hi Chris – yes, the AM1 or the company’s slightly more expensive AXA25 would be fine.
Hi Paul,
Your article on the Lenco L3808 convinced me to buy this table. Took some effort to get the correct needle pressure, but enjoying the turntable from the start. No problems at all in combination with Onkyo amplifier and Audio Physic speakers. After two months bought the AT95E element, and sound got even better! Since then just buying more records and just having more fun!
Best regards,
Maurice
Good stuff, Maurice – thanks for the feedback.
Hi Paul, thinking of picking this up. I’m on a budget atm and space is also a factor, so I wondering what powered speakers you would recommend (if any) to go with it. Around ¬£150-max. Thanks.
Hi Al – check out the Wharfedale DS2 speakers.
Hey, thanks for the suggestion, they’re perfect for my requirements.
Hi Paul,
I’ve caught up early with this post, haven’t I 😛
Anyway I purchased 2 x Lenco L-3808 and 1 x Numark M101 USB the other day, to start seeing what it feels like to scratch 🙂 I’m quite happy up to now, yet again I’m a super beginner.
The only problem I have is the sound coming out of my speakers, it’s really bad. It’s not to do with the Lenco’s, since we connected them up to another speaker with a preamp and it sounded as good as you described above.
So either mixer, speakers or some wrong connection could be the culprit? Speakers are AKAI RPM3, nothing special, but also connected to my Mac they sound good.
Would appreciate some feedback :)))
Thank you so much!
Hi Elise, what sort of “bad” sound are you hearing?
I’m not familiar with the other items but try and isolate each item with duplicates, if you can. To see if the issue remains. Also, unplug all cables and start again by carefully following each manual.
Hi Paul,
Sorry for the delay, I never got the email that you had replied, hehe.
So the “bad” was mainly the fact that I was amplifing the signal from the pickup twice, because I had it all switched to phono. Have since switched everything to line, and things have improved.
I’m still not mad about the sound quality though. I’m going go for new cartridges first, i’ll be keeping my Numark mixer & my AKAI speakers.
I hear often that AT95E is a great sound upgrade, but that Concorde’s are better for beginner DJ’s like myself. I wonder if you know if there’s any truth in that, and if so, what you think about this one: https://www.thomann.de/de/ortofon_om_5e.htm
One other thing: does sound quality depend on how well a record has been pressed as well, right? Most of mine are second hand and have significant sound differences between each other.
Finally, something else I saw was people removing the pre-amps and buying an external amplifier, or switching the pre-amp off somehow, to use the phono inputs instead. Is there really a switch somewhere that I may not have seen?
Ahhhh thank you so much again!
Hi Elise – I wouldn’t use a hifi cart in a DJ situation because they can’t take the punishment! Ortofon have a series of specialist DJ carts which are ideal for that task and I would urge you to look at those.
As for sound quality? It depends on about 500 variables 🙂 There is no one thing that serves as a magic bullet. Hifi is a tweaker’s paradise. That includes the vinyl itself, how it was mastered, cut, pressed, recorded, etc. So yes, you will hear differences in sound. One tiny example? In the 60s, producers ordered mastering engineers to enhance the upper midrange and treble on all chart singles (giving them an almost brittle and edgy sound). Why? Because the public would be listening to those chart singles on tinny, poor quality transistor radios and Dansette turntables. If the sound quality was too good, these basic devices couldn’t cope and you wouldn’t be able to hear the music properly. So sales would ultimately suffer.Hence, these singles were tweaked appropriately, to suit.
There’s a million stories like this.
And yes, an external phono amplifier is preferable to an internal model in sonic terms. Your Lenco’s instructions covers using its internal model or an external option.
Dear Paul,
I hope all is well! In the end, i bought 1 atvm95-e cartridge to replace.
It’s the first time I’ve obviously replaced a cartridge:took some time to remove the wires, so I am scared i mucked something up 🙂
Anyway, I made a couple of tests with my new cartridge (tracks were skipping, so i repeated process to find the right tracking forces, seems thats resolved now)
But – does it take some time for that superior sound to kick in? So far, the original Lenco supplied me with sounds better?! (weird, i. know. i’ve got two Lenco’s, one plays with the original cartridge, the other with the new).
I read somewhere you just need to give it some time to “kick in”.. or, maybe I’ve made a mess of the headshell (I really don’t think so).
Any advice, appreciated.
Thank you 🙂
You should be hearing improvements immediately, I reckon. It’s difficult to diagnose your issues at this distance but I would double check your installation, the tracking force, wiring, etc. Are the Lencos the same model? Apart from the cart, are there any other difference between them?
Hello Peter, thanks for your review and advice. I bought the Lenco L-3808 and replaced the cartridge for an AT95E and set the counterweight at 2,2 gr. I am very happy with it. I do have two questions. It was not very easy finding the AT95E, it seems they are taking them out of production and replace them with ATN95E and AT-VM95E. For future replacements, do you have an opinion on these two new models, are they better or worse than the AT95E? The other question I have is about the installment of the AT95E, in a forum I read that the effective armlength and overhang are not correctly mentioned in the Lenco user manual and that it is best to place the cartridge as much to the back of the arm as possible. I made a picture as an example but can’t seem to upload it here in the comments. I followed this advice, do you agree to this? Thanks and best wishes, Bob
Sorry! Peter = Paul
Hi Bob – the VM95E is the AT95E’s replacement and a good one it is – it is sonically superior.
And yes, the cart is difficult to set correctly. Pushing the cart as far back as it will go in the headshell is almost but not quite there. If you look at a typical stylus gauge – look at the image here for example: https://audio-technica.com.au/latest-news/how-to/align-turntable-cartridge/. I’m using this illustration as a general guide, nothing specific, just to vaguely illustrate my note here – the Lenco has the stylus tip one line ahead of the ideal place. One line to the left of the central dot.
I haven’t addressed that because I haven’t done a modding type feature on the Lenco. I’ve just reviewed what you get. Also, to buy a headshell that may improve matters pushes the budget so out of kilter with the basic cost of the turntable that I question it’s worth.
Hence, I would push the cart as far back in the headshell as you can. Use the gauge to make sure that it’s straight and level and go for that. The basic sound will still sound good.